Our height range has increased an inch but the median is the same height as the 10. Selecting a shoe size If your foot measurement is halfway between sizes, select the larger size. I admit I lean towards allowing just a little more room in the hip (and rib cage) depending on the style of garment and the amount of give in the fabric/lining. That’s your opinion. Then maybe sizes could start stabilizing. Maybe this would bring about a lightbulb moment, where heavy consumers would realize it’s time to cut back. They’re mostly middlemen. I knew it was coming, at least I know what to cut out of my diet now and how much I am actually over eating. I love fashion, but I just learned to sew because we need things fixed or hemmed. I’d love to be able to go everywhere and find a size 8M shoe that fit nearly the same. I really don’t care whether ___ is 20 or 40 as long as it can help me pick clothes. Let’s face it, you’re really not getting a higher quality product just because the price is high and the size appears small. With plus size clothing, cut with confidence, going from UK sizes 16 to 24, find your perfect outfit. If you want to know which European pair of pants corresponds to the British pant size, you need to do the same as you did with an American pant, that is, add 10. Kids & Baby size chart Exact sizes in this size chart are provided by eBay and may vary by brand. In contemporary clothing, it's not unusual for the sizes to only go up to a 10 or 12. Say, do you have a girlfriend? Valid… not likely in that neither withstand the rigor of science so it follows that neither are well founded either. Unfortunately, it would probably be difficult and expensive to hire enough people for the photo shoot. I have been a size 8 for a long time, even with their stuff, then suddenly all their 8’s were too big. That’s a bimodal distribution. How To Measure Foot Size. “consumers today have the expectation they should be able to buy whatever off the rack without altering it”. That way, assuming a simple two-inch grade, if the standard says size 8 measurements should be 34-25-36 and size 10 should be 36-27-38, Company A might use 38-26-40 as its basis for size 10, and Company B might assign 34-27-37 to a 10, while at the same time Company C could manufacture a size 8 using 35-26-36. He learned how to do that in the Air Force in the 70s. As body weight increases, does the variation in body shape increase as well? Retailers could buy an awful lot of customer loyalty with a lower price tag, whereas inconsistent sizing buys nothing. The proportion of respondents who picked size 10 hip at 38″ was 19%, only 1% under the “winner” of 40″ which had 20%. You are not alone. As for sizing related to price points and how it impacts “vanity sizing”, see this. The measurements that you definitely need are your chest, waist, hips, and inseam. How does one make “one size fits all” thing? But I’d really like to have a realiable base-line. I am, to be frank, wildly frustrated at women’s clothing in stores. Let’s face it, you’re really not getting a higher quality product just because the price is high and the size appears small. I am not a size 10! Girls with bigger upper measurements tend to either bust out of everything (literally) or end up wearing tents that don’t fit the rest of their bodies. Kathleen is the author of The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Sewn Product Manufacturing, the most highly rated book of any topic in the garment industry. I am still 5’2″ short and not happy by my size increase, but I am not going to lie to myself about it. Basicaly even if they said “This is a size 10 +/- two m.m.” there is still a great deal of variation in body shape to account for. sent three in, got 0 back that fit correctly because they fit it to what they thought it should have been.. the pins couldn’t have been right! I don’t care what they call the sizes. Consumers often claim that only X percentage is an hourglass but aggregating responses shows the clear pattern. Once you have both measurements look in the chart below to see your suggested size. That is what is the outfit cut for. Contact > This is how you measure to find the perfect fitting pants. You may be the opposite of me. If we do that, huge swathes of the market won’t have clothes to fit them –that is the whole purpose of this entry. Question: having this information, do you agree it is ideal that we use the majority opinion to determine sizes? I have to get a 6 or a small. Misses and womens US dress sizes (also used in Canada) with bust, waist and hip measurement tables for Misses sizes 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 & 20, Womens sizes 38, 40, 42, 44, 46, 48, 50, plus a brief explanation of junior, petite and half sizes. People are fatter than ever. I don’t know what the margin of error in this survey is (and there’s no point in quibbling over it because it’s not random, it’s a self-selected group), but I would guess that 19% and 20% are essentially equal. Our pockets are our purse. Get it fitted? Hmmm. Please refer to information in the listing or ask the seller for more details. However, we have two changes now. Note that knitwear is frequently in sizes from XS-XL in misses' sizes, not by numeral. Also, guys do not care for tight fitting cloths. Thoughts: your discussion of the survey responses suggests that you are responding to several issues simultaneously. No doubt some RTW consumers buy into the vanity sizing silliness, but the majority these days are probably more concerned with the price tag than the size tag. I don’t want “standard sizes”, but I do want basic target measurements on the tags. I’ve written about 20 separate entries on this outlining the whole sordid mess. I’m going to go out on a limb here and speak for the community by saying we’ll make you a deal. I suspect you are also part of a growing market. These measurements are body measurements with no ease added. In my closet, sits brand *new* size 16 suit (Talbots), a size 14 suit (LOFT), a size 16-18 suit (JC PENNEY), and ZERO women’s dress shirts, because I can’t get a single one to “fit” either in length or my waist. And just because I like the idea, doesn’t mean it would go over well with customers used to buying clothes to look like to model in the advertising. If you’ve got a line aimed at Apples, advertise it as such: “This line is designed to fit and flatter a woman whose hips are waist plus X and bust is waist plus y.” That’s not restrictive, I’ll still try things on from the line, but I’ll know what the designer is aiming for and adjust my expectations accordingly. Please read our policies for more information. If they don’t suit or fit, then some other size shouldn’t fit better. To find out your shoe size, follow the instructions below to measure your foot, and then use the charts above to find the appropriate size conversions. When I’m perfectly height and weight proportionate, my bust is larger than my hips by nearly three inches, I’m the reverse of the survey proportions (B:+12  W:0  H:+9). If that is impossible, a detailed size chart (like this one by the catalogue company Cecile – http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cecile.co.jp%2FCustCenter%2FSizeGuide%2Fladies.html ) may be useful. There are two charts (women's and junior's) for women's dress sizes since United States use different numbering system (even vs odd) for each category. Hello All, Know yourself. Lastly, it is misplaced to assign all the blame and responsibility to retailers just because they handled the transaction for you. The excuse “my mother’s clothes fit better, she never went to a tailor”, probably came from the fact that their mother altered her own clothing. It lets the customer know what to expect, and can minimise the number of returns. Assuming a size 12 American shoe is, in fact, 12 inches long, that would mean an 11.5 is 11 2/3″ long, whereas a 12.5 shoe would be 12 1/3″ long. fully equipped sewing factory: The Sewing Factory School. In this way there is a base consistent size plus that Barb Taylorr is looking for (and makes sense) plus an offset or modifier that makes more sense than what guys have – mearsurements. Can one generate customer loyalty because they know this size 8 is their size 8? I agree with you here as well. Sizes used to be fairly standardized, then someone decided there would be enough payback to make it worth de-standardizing. Then customers could find which one resembles them and know what size is most likely to fit. Find your band size (1) using the column on the left, and find your cup size (2) using the measurements along the top row. IMO – there should not only be a bust size but where you whish teh bust to fall, er point out. Bust sizes have also gone up. An A cup rides much higher than a full B or C. A DD to F cup can ride much lower. Flaw in the data or do I just put weight on a bit differently? Registered in England: 454264. Sad, for tis not happening in other parts of the world as much as in the U.S. (sorry no source I can quote), The entire ‘sizing’ issue will never be decided upon by EVERYONE. Personally, I’d rather have to take more time shopping than see fewer options out there. I care what the model they are designing for looks like. [Answer is No, the size range fits smaller to larger women with the same body type. Waist in wrong place, hips to high! The issue today is that, given their lack of understanding, people have unrealistic expectations … it has to be close to perfect in size, colour, print etc. Not always of course but usually. Take the measurement (in millimeters) from the ruler where the flat edge crosses (see image below). What would be helpful, is a picture with girls/women in the size range wearing the clothes that fit them. This works – except for a dress. So measurements can make a difference even within the same size range. It truly helps me understand the sizing challenge that manufacturers face. heh. A dress size may be no different. It would be impossible to calculate changing figure proportions of consumers singly. Back in 1985, when I weighed 105-110 lbs, and my measurements were 32-24-34/35, I wore a size 7 dress and my Vogue Pattern size was size 8. Why can’t sizing be by measurement? Personal measurements change, and so do demographic averages. I don’t want to have to try on everything. There is no such thing as vanity sizing. Modern Slavery Statement >, Copyright © Mi Hub Ltd. trading as Dimensions, 3 Long Acre, Men's Shoe Size Men's American, UK, European, Australian, Canadian, Japanese, Chinese and Mexican shoe sizes converter chart. If they don’t want to make the effort they can always have things altered or custom-made. I want to know that a size 10 shirt is based on a bust measurement of ___ and a size 10 pant is based on a hip measurement of ___. I totally get that too. As for sollutions – why not simple inches and cm markings ? Hip. Make sure your foot is flat. Perhaps this is so they won’t have to lower their prices. This may sound very naiive, but why can’t the fashion industry as a whole decide on a standard set of sizing measurements, then allow individual manufacturers to have a maximum amount of leeway in those measurements, say plus or minus two inches (for a four-inch range)? At that time, they were similar in concept to the EN 13402 European clothing size standard, although individual manufacturers have always deviated from them, sometimes significantly.. Also (just because I want to argue the industry’s case a little more), two identical sets of measurements can often result in a completely different shape if you only compare say 5-6 measurements … yet we expect designers/patternmakers to select an average “size” and have it fit well for all people within that envelope of measurements. Seems that a retailer like that should/would/could have more control over their own product. Measurement chart in Centimetres; Size to Order: 6: 8: 10: 12: 14: 16: 18: 20: 22: 24: 26: 28: 30: Dual Sizes: XS: S: M: L: XL: 2XL: 3XL: Bust: at fullest point: 80: 82.5: 86.5: 91.5: 96.5: 101.5: 106.5: 114: 119: 124.5: 129.5: 134.5: 139.5: Waist: at narrowest point: 64.5: 67: 71: 76: 81: 86: 91.5: 99: 104: 111.5: 116.5: 122: 127: Hip: at lower hip: 87.5: 90: 94: 99: 104: 109: 114: 122: 127: 132: 137: 142: 147 I know several hunters who can call a deer’s weight to within five pounds but are clueless about their wife’s weight or size. As for bra size – well 34B has grown to over a C (source: http://www.tomima.com/2010/03/23/a-new-average-bra-size-in-the-usa/ ) Sadly wikipedia has nothing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere ). Hips : Stand with heels together and measure around the fullest part of hips. Everything has always been about proportion and shape to me. Totally get what you were trying to say here, and it is hard. Because consumers were closer to being height and weight proportionate, clothes were more readily sized to suit. I have patterned some very oddly shaped people. I agree but as one comedian said “Women like to keep age, weight and cloths size a secret. 10: 38: 6: 10: 88.5: 35.5: 70.5: 28: 96.5: 38.5: 12: 40: 8: 12: 93.5: 37.5: 75.5: 30: 101.5: 40.5: 14: 42: 10: 14: 98.5: 39.5: 80.5: 32: 106.5: 42.5: 16: 44: 12: 16: 103.5: 41.5: 85.5: 34: 111.5: 44.5: 18: 46: 14: 18: 108.5: 43.5: 90.5: 36: 116.5: 46.5: 20: 48: 16: 20: 113.5: 45: 95.5: 37.75: 121: 47.25: 22: 50: 18: 22: 119.5: 48: 101.5: 40.5: 127.5: 51: 24: 52: 20: 24: 125.5: 50: 107.5: 43: 133.5: 53.5 Where as us guys have no problem walking around with tag on the back of their pants showing their waist is seven inches bigger than their inseam.” Eh, well that is true. I usually get the best fit in lines targeted to my age group, though I get great t-shirts from a local chain who makes them for the younger segment of their market. Wealthy people are thinner. defense – how much variatioin do they have to support? This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience. Cheryl Designs, people do need to learn to accept their actual sizes. Of course, the women might not want to admit what they actually look like. It doesn’t matter if I buy “straight” or “curvy” fit items. to hang tags would also streamline the process for consumers. Wholeasale and retail Size 10 Measurements now available from LightInTheBox.com! Starting in 1993, she began providing consulting and engineering services to manufacturers, small companies, and startups with an emphasis on developing owner-operator domestic cut-and-sew operations. Guys can wear the same thing. One more answer – perhpas cynical – where is the payback? I shouldn’t be asking for a 16 and walking away with an 8. I am a Patternmaker and am of course finding this blog very interesting (a few years down the track!) Kathleen like you and Tufte Fan, I’m technical. But sizes are the last thing to worry about. McCall’s currently has a size 10 listed as Bust-32.5, waist-25, hip-34.5. Men would actually be able to pick out clothes for their wives. Companies purchasing new equipment to handle larger (size) runs will have to pass the cost increases on, perhaps further encouraging weight cutback. My best guess is that my dress size is about a 14 or 16 now. KEP, Questions 2 to 4 are important and it’s great that you’re laying them out, but I don’t understand how they relate to the survey results. I have no issues with a Medium being the median for the target market. Place an object with a flat edge straight across your toes with the edge touching the tip of your longest toe. She is an apple and I am a “skinny” pear. But still, that shouldn’t result in the wildly different numbers I see on the clothes that fit me. I suggest reading some of it to gain an understanding of the complexities of sizing to a diverse populace. My measurements are now 35-34.5-42. There’s would never be more than a three-size guessing range with any combination. Of course that’d be unmanageable … but how do you educate the public to understand there’s more to sizing, or brand selection, than they realise. Sizing in girls’ apparel is not an exact science. I disagree you don’t get a higher quality product with a higher price tag. There’s no reasonable explanation why I should be a size 0 in one store, a 4 in another, and an 8 in yet a third. LightInTheBox.com is your source for quality wedding supplies at wholesale prices. Based on it, I would be a size 10, especially the hips, but the RTW I can fit into calls it a 12. My breasts have dropped a bit but not ALOT. Seriously, here’s a rundown of responses for size 10. I’m not in the fashion industry, but I suspect each retail marketer will do anything to make their own product look better than the (virtually identical) one being sold down the street, including deflating tag sizes to fool the public… No doubt some RTW consumers buy into the vanity sizing silliness, but the majority these days are probably more concerned with the price tag than the size tag. Sizes used to be fairly standardized, then someone decided there would be enough payback to make it worth de-standardizing. But people don’t think like that anymore. They have to devise a sizing scale based on averages. UK Sizes 16 … Is it heresy to suggest that the numbers for the heavier portion of the population should be increased (i.e., sell 0-22 at Ann Taylor and 10-32 at Walmart)? There is a group called HiddenFeet you might find interesting. Yes, it makes the shopper work harder. ), they assume and expect that their clothes fit perfectly off the rack. Oh, I have tried, tuck and sit and retuck. Our expectations of a Size 10 are based on going out into the world and trying on clothes. These days they’ve even given up (in many cases) the ease descriptions. Clothing Size Guide- Numeric I can fit into sizes 6-14, depending on the manufacturer (CK goes crazy on the vanity sizing)… nuts! Namely that measurements are all over the map. I get so disgusted when shopping in the mall stores and end up having to try on six different sizes of everything because each brand’s sizing is so wildly varied from every other brand’s. My other observation is that womans bust size is certainly on the increase even the young girls who are a “b” wear padding to create a “c” Companies could certainly reflect this trend. I am a pattern maker and custom designer of clothing. (Theoretically that should be 8 to 18 because sometimes the 16 is small and an 18 would fit better, but the 18 never exists. (34 DD bra)…I am also 53 yrs old, child-free. it has to be inexpensive … and it has to be NOW. I have also learned which ones are just not going to look good on me and I don’t try those on anymore. Find the right shoe size with our easy-to-read Nike men's footwear size chart. With different size systems and measuring units in different countries and regions, buying clothes in foreign shops or of foreign makes can be quite difficult. I’ll bet you think that as I gain, I’d get heavier up top but nope. Also, I know that what I want is complicated by grading. Women's dresses, clothing, blouses, shirts and sweater's size conversion charts between American (US), Canadian, European, British (UK), Australian, Italian, French and Japanese sizes. Sorry for the long post. Until there’s some kind of consistency in sizing (and I don’t care if the numbers are large or small), consumers will remain frustrated in the dressing room. Yes, it would be nice if the window were a little tighter, but it’s really not that big of a deal to grab 2 sizes the first time I try on a new brand. I’ll use myself as an example to explain how gaining weight changes the proportions of a body. ), Just because I get the best fit in these sizes doesn’t mean the shoes or clothes fit well. My weight at that time 150 pounds, her weight at that time 145. U.S. standard clothing sizes for women were originally developed from statistical data in the 1940s and 1950s. Careers > Also men are easier to cut for as there are fewer measurements. Just because your daughter is a size 10 in one clothing brand doesn’t mean she can wear the same size in all other brands. All the “larger” sizes were too tight. Why? Clothing sizes in Europe start in the 30s, so don't be confused if you're used to low women's size numbers that are common in America. Of course customers all wish that every garment would fit exactly how they personally think it should, but they also probably all wish they could win the lottery. To find something in a size 8 that fits nice when everything else in the closet is a size 12 – whoo hoo!! The survey was a great idea. One piece shaped sheath dress? I have discovered some great fitting brands for my “non-fit model proportioned” body by putting a little effort in to the search. In the ready-to-wear shoe world, feet are measured using a Brannock Device. This still wouldn’t make everyone happy because as you gain weight, the relationship between your relative proportions changes. Of course, this is all predicated on the notion that manufacturers would agree to cooperate with each other for the benefit of consumers. Many of them, occasionally even I, look at unrealistic measurements, and go, am I sure? Measurement Guide for Girls’ Clothes. Mens Shoe Sizes. * The measurements in the guide are based on measurements taken directly from the body, not the garment. And when I sew my own clothes, I use a size 12 pattern! Currently Recognised Sizes. I *KNOW* I fit somewhere between a 14-16-18, depending on the store and the brands. Boy Scouting works even better. IMO – cloths make most women feel good. Some have to check the tag to know their pant size. The majority is in dark green; significant measures (over 10%) are in light green: If majority rules, a size 10 has a 36″ bust, 28″ waist and a 40″ hip. Or rather, some *wildly different* size shouldn’t fit better. Let’s say that manufacturers had a magic wand and could size 10’s and 12’s to satisfy the proportions of survey respondents. I maintain, no one can be a size 0 unless painfully anorexic. That is a size 10 – good as a bse – could be a strawberry (busty) or pear (wide hips) or bananna – kind strait. With designer labels, a 00 is typically the smallest size, while in most moderate or inexpensive clothing the sizes start at size 0 or 2. Accept and ALTER and move along in your life :) PS.NO I don’t take the HOURS of time to make my own clothing….MUCH CHEAPER to purchase and alter tops…I tend to be a solid size 3 or 5 Junior pant so those aren’t a problem :). Thank God I learned how to sew 40 years ago. One persons is starting her Haloween costume. I’ve read several of them already. 4) I think a bunch of other questions tangled up in there. Waist: Measure around natural waistline, keeping the tape comfortably loose, slightly above navel and below rib cage. People already complain I get too technical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EN_13402.) they come up to or slightly above my waist.). Most women have a good idea what their measurements are, but rather than assume you know, get an accurate measurement. In the U.S. and Britain, shoe sizes change by 1/3″ per half size. 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